That's for the THEOCRATIC ministry school, not the KINGDOM ministry school. The former is the weekly meeting at the KH, the latter is the secret elders-only training meeting. Would love to have a PDF of what's discussed at the KINGDOM ministry school!
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2008 Theocratic Ministry School PDF
by betweenworlds innot sure if anyone has posted this or not yet, but here it is just in case:
http://hufffamily.com/html/theocratic_goodies.html
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My story: "Pop!" goes the Little Circuit Breaker
by TJ - iAmCleared2Land ini guess it's about time i write my story.
i've put this off for a long time... primarily becuase, while i thought my story was bad, i've read so many worse and heart-rending stories here.
i think, though, there is some therapeutic value in 'letting it all out' with others who know what 'it' was like.
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If you were intrigued by my story, my brother, Jonathan, just re-opened his previously closed blog, which covers his departure from the JW's, the way he and his wife almost lost their son over the blood issue, more of our family history, and the Judicial proceedings with "Dad", which he was witness to.
http://jonathanwhistman.spaces.live.com/
I also just found this old JWD link, which I had not seen before today... I got goose bumps seeing that Roy and Holly were referred to as "Monsters" there, too...
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Gifts for a divorced person...
by TJ - iAmCleared2Land ini've heard "divorce showers" are the newest "support system" for girlfriends with their buddies... my wife and i found this funny site last night.
they make a cd with parodies of popular songs, but done for divorcees.. you can hear clips of the songs, but the best part is the full lyrics are available off the main page.
check it out, funny stuff!.
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I've heard "divorce showers" are the newest "support system" for girlfriends with their buddies... my wife and I found this funny site last night. They make a CD with parodies of popular songs, but done for divorcees.
You can hear clips of the songs, but the best part is the full lyrics are available off the main page. Check it out, funny stuff!
On topic, what would you give as a gift to a friend, recently divorced, to encourage them and celebrate their strength?
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The Beatles - Your Favorite Songs or Albums from Them ?
by flipper infolks !
thought i'd start another music thread up to see what your favorite picks are !
one of my all time favorite groups .
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TJ - iAmCleared2Land
Have you heard of the Fab Faux? If you like the Beatles', these guys are a GREAT cover band (even McCartney thought so, and the Beatles notoriously hated copy-cat bands).
Here is a story about them, with audio clips (click the Listen Now link at the top) on them here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18342562
They focus on the Beatles' later work... the stuff they could only do in a recording studio back then, not live, but which can be done live now.
The Fab Faux's members are all full-time musicians and singers who remain active in the music industry. Lee can be seen on late-night TV as part of the David Letterman band, Agnello is an in-demand music producer and sideman, and the other members are noted session men and producers. With guitarists Jimmy Vivino and Jack Petruzzelli, and drummer Richard Pagano, The Fab Faux is a collective that's about attention to detail.
That includes having a real string section with it on "Yesterday." Or a real piccolo trumpet to play the famous solo on "Penny Lane," or even a fire-truck bell in the same tune — especially impressive considering that the band does all of this while in live performance. The Fab Faux's collective talent makes it possible for the band to take apart The Beatles' music, and then put it back together again — a process that Agnello describes as "really nerdy."
"We'll keep researching and alter stuff," Lee says. "It's a never-ending tweakage on this music."
Not everything The Fab Faux does is about faithful re-creation.
"Take, for example, 'Drive My Car,'" Lee says. "It doesn't have an ending; it has a fade, as records often do. Wouldn't it be great to bring to the stage what the song would have sounded like had it continued on into a nice jam? We have such good players in this band that it would be a waste not to let somebody take a solo."
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JWs came to my door
by Victorian sky inthe boy was about 7 years old.
' he looked at his son and didn't answer.
'can you shun this boy?
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WOW. VictorianSky, that was one of the BEST at-the-door discussions I've read on this board. Just awesome, really. I think you've made both this man and his son think.... Bravo!
Oh, and congratulations to you both on your beautiful baby boy!
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Barbara Anderson's Comments from her CD compilation now online!
by Dogpatch inbarbara anderson's comments from her cd compilation:.
secrets of pedophilia in an american religionjehovah's witnesses in crisis.
update 1/17/08: barbara anderson has released her nearly 100-page commentary found on the cd, secrets of pedophilia in an american religion, jehovah's witnesses in crisis, for general distribution.
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What have they been saying about me?
by spiritboi ini have leprosy?
i have aids?
or did he see demons beside me???
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I agree with Crissy... I don't think he was out to specifically visit you. I bet he was "out in avoid-a-service" and didn't really WANT to talk to anyone, and was surprised when you opened the door. I've known JWs to go up to doors, "pretend to knock" or knock VERY lightly, or reach out to the doorbell button but not really push it down. The rest of their group would "see them" going door to door, and "knocking", but dang, there sure were a lot of not-at-homes that morning!!
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2007 CD-ROM
by stillajwexelder inappologies if this has been posted elsewhere.
letter on our noticeboard.
the following is done in note style.
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Thank Jehovah that you used the term 'noticeboard' instead of the theocratically improper 'Bulletin Board'.
Jeff, that's interesting... I do recall as a ministerial servant being instructed in one of our meetings with the elders that we were to refer friends to see the "Information Board", not the "Bulletin Board", as the latter was an inappropriate term for us to use. I don't recall the reasoning, other than some vague reference to it being a "worldly term". Yet another example of the insanity...
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What have they been saying about me?
by spiritboi ini have leprosy?
i have aids?
or did he see demons beside me???
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Booo!!!!
That's funny. Might try that next time they knock...
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Barbara Anderson's Comments from her CD compilation now online!
by Dogpatch inbarbara anderson's comments from her cd compilation:.
secrets of pedophilia in an american religionjehovah's witnesses in crisis.
update 1/17/08: barbara anderson has released her nearly 100-page commentary found on the cd, secrets of pedophilia in an american religion, jehovah's witnesses in crisis, for general distribution.
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Thank you for this information and all your efforts, Barbara. Until today I had not taken the time to look at your documents--not out of a lack of interest, of course. I downloaded the Commentary Version 2 today and have been looking through it, and would like to comment on the Child Abuse Telememo form on page 66.
What particularly struck me was the "layers of loopholes" the Society and Elders leave themselves at the bottom of the page. There are two alternative courses of action the Legal Dept advisor could take, and they are to check one of two boxes ("NONREPORTING" or "REPORTING") depending on which course they advised the calling elder to take.
Under REPORTING (used in cases where the elder lives in a state where reporting to authorities is mandated by law). Notice the loophole in the instructions [emphasis added is my own]:
The elders have a duty to report child abuse under the ___________ child abuse reporting law. They should speak to the offender directly and find out if he is willing to turn himself in. If he is unwilling, there may be someone else who has knowledge of the abuse who will make a report. If no one who has knowledge of the abuse is willing to make a report, two elders should make an anonymous phone report from a neutral location, such as a phone booth. They should keep a written record of who made the call, to whom it was made, the date and time of the call, and other pertinent factors. This record should then be signed by the two elders and placed in congregation files as proof that a report of child abuse was made in compliance with the law. We explained the Society's policy of confidentiality and directed the elders to contact the Legal Department if they are subpoenaed. We had no legal objection to the elders handling the matter as they would any other case of serious wrongdoing. The elders should refer to the Awake! issues on child abuse (references given) in giving appropriate spiritual assistance to the family.
A later 1993 version of this form keeps this advice (different references to Awake! articles, and a reference to a July 1989 Letter to BOD). It adds more cover-our-butt language:
Encourage parties not to involve the congregation if authorities investigate ... Treat victim with extreme thoughtfulness and kindness. Is it necessary to make the sexual abuse victim, who is still a minor, confront the accused? Positive steps should be taken to prevent further abuse. The elders should monitor the situation carefully for the protection of other potential victims.
I knew about the anonymous phone report from a phone booth. However, even as an elder, I was not aware of the first two "loopholes" listed in both the earlier, and revised 1993 versions. Specifically, they first give the accuser the option of making the report, OR of letting others that know if it give the report! Only under the circumstance where these first refuse to make a report are the elders told that they should, themselves, make the report--and then, of course, in a cowardly non-effective anonymous two-witness cover-our-butt satisfy-the-letter-of-the-law manner.
I'm absolutely disgusted to read this direction from the Legal Department. There is NO guidance here to say "if the offender volunteers to turn himself in to the authorities, elders should follow up in a timely manner to verify that the required report was, in fact, made." Basically, if the offender says "Yeah, I'll go to the police and turn myself in", they're OFF THE FREAKIN HOOK!! That's NOT right...
Everything in those paragraphs, except for a small revision at the end of the 1993 version, is about protecting the appearance of the congregation, not about protecting the victim. Notice, too that the counsel to use the Awake! articles to "provide spiritual assistance to the family" is not clear on which family should be getting that attention--the offender's family (his wife, kids), or the abused child's family.
Finally, how can "Is it necessary..." be in there as a QUESTION? It should be a statement of fact that the child (minor) should not have be forced to directly confront his/her accuser!! They have "no legal objection"... what about a "MORAL" or "SPIRITUAL" objection, folks? That's not even addressed here. Everything in those instructions is a Legal Dept. "cover-our-pocketbook" statement.
Disgusting...